Stolen content…
I don’t know how many readers are familiar with the notion of content aggregator based websites? Put simply these are sites that pull content from others.
Some are useful sites, say, drawing news content on a particular subject, and others are sites which abuse the hard work of others. One such site is one that has appeared in the last couple of days is “all-things-lanzarote.com” (no link for obvious reasons)… I should point out this imposter is nothing at all to do with the established site allthingslanzarote.com.
This site has been aggregating content from our Lanzarote Relocation site, and have also got the backs up of at least two other well known sites on the the island, one of which it would appear the domain name is emulating. I’ve not mentioned the other sites as I haven’t asked them for permission at this stage to include their names. However, they will be made aware of this post and a more than welcome to comment here with anything they wish to say on this matter.
It is possible to leave a comment on the site that has copied our content, but I’m guessing the comment I made will not last very long … Here it is…
Paul – put very simply. Your lifting of our content breaches all of the unambiguous copyright notices at the bottom of all of our sites, and those of our clients. I ask, very simply, and very clearly, that you remove ALL duplicate content and ensure ours and our clients sites are not ‘farmed’ in future. Is this clear enough?
I reiterate Paul (if that is your real name of course). All of our own – and our clients sites, carry clear and unambiguous copyright notices. You have not been granted any permission to reproduce our content in any way shape or form.
Your activities, now I and the other involved have brought our disapproval to your notice, are, on this basis illegal under the terms of the Berne Convention.
I would normally have mailed the site owner. But as might be expected by someone who is unscrupulous enough to steal the hard work of others. The site owner has not included an email address, and has chosen to hide his true identity behind the privacy options on the who is information.
Domain Name: all-things-lanzarote.com
Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited
Expiration Date: 2011-01-28
Creation Date: 2010-01-28
Last Update Date: 2010-01-28
ALL-THINGS-LANZAROTE.COM WHOIS
Updated: 16 hours ago
Registrant:
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15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
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Alan,
Thank you for publicising this incident of stolen content. I speak as the owner of the original All Things Lanzarote brand name and website. For the information of your readers, I need to make the point that the site you refer to is NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH US .
We have spent considerable time and investment developing All Things Lanzarote into a relevant consumer website brand, and it is galling and contemptible that someone can even think they can steal a brand name and other sites’ content in this way, and get away with it.
Like you, we have written to the site owner and their registering body, we are taking legal advice on the matter, and have also written to Google, who encourage submissions of this type of copyright infringement under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act; after all, the site is registered for, and currently carrying (!), Google Ads. We therefore thought that Google should be aware of the incident so that they can consider disabling AdSense services to the site owner, as well as delisting from their search index.
Miles Couchman
All Things Lanzarote
http://www.allthingslanzarote.com
Miles – it’s good that the people with a professional attitude to this type of activity can stick together. We won’t let this drop and I have no doubts that you won’t either!
Aggregator sites as such aren’t normally an issue. Quite a lot of our content appears on various reputable sites and I don’t have a problem with that, as long as they’ve taken the trouble to get permission first, which I guess didn’t happen here.
The thing I found really disconcerting was to find a comment on there from me. I’m presuming each comment is being manually “lifted” and created as a new comment on the site, without my original URL. I can guess the reason – it implies a sense of readership and community that isn’t actually in existence. Seems like a cheap trick to me.
Oh and I forgot to add – I love the Copyright at the bottom of each page of the site in question!
Pretty much agree Mike. Had the person contacted us with a politely worded request we’d have been inclined to let it ride.
However, what looks like an attempt at ‘passing off’ as the real All Things Lanzarote site, sort of gives some idea of the lack of respect this person has for the content and hard work of others. At best its poor form, at worst its downright dishonest. If there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s this type of ‘passing off’. It is deceitful and dishonest to mislead people in this way…
Yes – the Copyright notice is rather ludicrous given that there is virtually NO original content being posted…
I agree with both Mike and Alan. Of course, any request, polite or otherwise, to use our brand name as if it were their’s would have met with refusal. There is no ‘grey’ area here at all in my view.
Definition of ‘passing off’: “The law of passing off is a tort that seeks to protect victims where an individual or company claims to produce goods or offer services as somebody else…in such a manner that deceives the consumer into believing that they are purchasing the goods or services of that individual or company that they trust and recognise.” (Source: Brand Protect LLP, http://www.bptm.co.uk).
The adverse implications for the victim of passing off can be all or some of: adverse effect on reputation, brand confusion amongst customers and suppliers, loss of trade and profits, and wasted time.
Succinctly put Miles…
Hi Miles,
Well I do seem to have stirred up a bit of a hornets nest haven’t I!
I should have guessed this would happen with one of the smaller Islands no disrespect but if you “break wind” on one end of the island, the other end knows about it before the day is out! ( long term residents will know what I mean! ) as you are obviously very protective of the network of sites you have built up to cover all the angles in Lanzarote.
Before I continue, don’t worry just give me a few hours to delete the content and I am sure you will all be happy again!
No future content will be willingly published you have my word, and if by any chance it is I am sure you will let me know!
As far as rushing off to Google I feel that was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction and that was not necessary, nor was publishing the who-is info ( you yourself protect your personal info, on many of your sites ) you should have allowed me to sort this out behind the scenes as I feel I have and am responding quickly to your concerns.
My e-mail by the way is support@all-things-lanzarote.com should anyone have any other problems.
I am not a “thief” nor am I a scum bag,lowlife etc ( believe it or not I am quite a nice bloke according to people who know me! ) my “original” plan was merely to publish a small snippet with a read more…linking to the original article and web site ( much in the way yahoo does on their homepage )and no offence was intended to anyone, I genuinely believed people would be happy to receive links to their respective blogs and web sites as a result, and it was not necessary to get personal.
Anyway as I have said I will start to deal with it now.
You have archived a lot in the couple of years you have lived on the Island and I am sure that having lived here in the Canaries for the last 20 + years I have a wealth of experience to draw on myself, I will go back to the drawing board and approach it from a different angle!
I am not an imposter as I said in my reply and I genuinely had no idea Miles had his site ( I am more than happy to make a reference to this on the site giving a link to him, but that is of course up to Miles )
I would appreciate you posting this reply seeing as you have taken so much trouble to broadcast your views, at least allowing me a chance to publicly reply and give my side of events.
Hopefully we can put this to bed and all get on with our lives, agreed?
Kind Regards,
Paul
Paul – firstly, thanks for responding. Seems reasonable – for my own part I’ve been a bit riled today by someone else trying to ‘pass off’ with one of our sites. So, let’s say I’m a little sensitive on the subject. And, I certainly do feel an empathy with miles on this score… Who doesn’t want to protect the name?
As I’ve said above – had there been a polite request – and as long as you are only using snippets we probably wouldn’t have had any real issue with you using our content as you have – it’s a matter of courtesy.
I’ll carry on this conversation, off the record, with you via email now I have it (which I would have preferred to do had it been possible in the first instance)…
I’m sure Miles will be in touch in due course too…
support@all-things-lanzarote.com
174.120.116.222 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 No Such User Here
Giving up on 174.120.116.222.
My olive branch has bounced Paul – feel free to mail me with an email address I can use. My email address is no secret.
Paul,
I was going to send this directly to you, until I saw Alan’s comment that his private response to you had bounced.
I think we need to be clear about the difference between Alan’s business concerns and mine – his is with the use of his site content, wheras mine is with your use of my brand name which, I am advised today by two separate solicitors, gives my company clear grounds for a passing off claim. (Please see my first post to your site yesterday evening on this subject).
I am unclear from your comments as to whether you currently intend to discontinue use of my brand name on your site. For the avoidance of doubt, could you please reply to this post (or directly to me)stating your intention to do this. You already have my original post to your site of yesterday evening, but which you have not answered on this subject. Please let me know if you have not received this.
If you want to email me directly on this matter, you already have my address, and it would be better to communicate directly than play the matter out on Alan’s excellent website.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Miles,
Now this is getting a little silly to say the least!
If you or anyone cares to try the e-mail address I have provided you will see that it works, I was simply getting on with deleting all of the posts as agreed, for God’s sake give me a chance!
Incidentally it amounted to about 9 or 10 small snippets that all directed to Alan’s site with clear links to all, absolutely no posts that were made had any reference to your site at all, the only reference to you was on a comment thread you made which when clicked on, took people to your site.
My site in no way emulates your style at all, yours is full of advertising hotels car hire etc etc and I do not and will not start charging people 45 to 245 euros per month for the privilege.
I believe this has simply got your back up because of the similar name which I have explained before, to start talking solicitors and “brand” names is just ridiculous ( if someone decides to buy allthingslanzarote.net or org which they can do without “asking your permission” )what are you going to do? throw another hissy fit! you do not own Lanzarote ( sorry to be blunt ) but starting to threaten me with solicitors etc has now got my back up in a big way my friend.
I am quite legally entitled to have the name that I have and have no intention of taking it down.
I have taken action straight away to resolve this problem, and I think Alan seems to be a reasonable man and can see what I am trying to explain.
I often leave the “comments” on a post as the replies usually include another point of view or another link to more information such as what has happened in your case.
One last thing, I will make a reference to this correspondence on my site and include a screen shot showing the type of thing that has caused such an upset,I still believe I have been misunderstood in my intentions perhaps other people without an agenda would care to see what I mean.
Miles, save your legal money and give it to the local dog charity or something worthwhile, now that would be worth writing about.
There is a huge difference between making a short reference to someone’s post and making clear references and links to that persons web site or blog ( as you will see from the screen shot )rather than copying and posting a full article from someone passing it off as their own, which I have never done or will do.
I will post this to my site, leave it up a couple of days and then be done with it, as to be honest I don’t need the stress ( I suggest you do the same )
Regards,
Paul
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Paul,
Here’s my olive branch to you..I might have come up with a solution that will work for both of us.
I own two other domain names that I have not done anything with yet: totallylanzarote.co.uk and lanzarote-now.com. I will donate one of these for you to use as your site, on the understanding that you remove all content from your existing site, and close it down. I will also reimburse you a reasonable/competitive rate for the cost of registering your existing site name.
It seems to me that you don’t lose on this: you keep all of the content you’ve built, transfer it, and simply change the name references on the new site. I assume that you have not yet spent money promoting your site, wheras I have spent a considerable amount in the past year.
How does that sound to you? I will keep any further action in my back pocket for now until I get your response.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Paul – I did try the email address as you can see above…
support@all-things-lanzarote.com
174.120.116.222 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 No Such User Here
Giving up on 174.120.116.222.
It failed. I have also posted a comment on your site inviting you to email me. I have just tried it again, and it doesn’t seem to have bounced… As I’m writing this I have just spotted your reply, so will reply to that and as far as I’m concerned the conversation between you and I is now private.
To be fair to yourself in general terms, you have come out and answered this issue, and made some valid points – usually people who hide their identity don’t. My view of yourself, simply on that basis, has changed from those in the original post.
I think Miles is trying to be reasonable here too – I hope you two can come to some agreement. I think all round it’s time to take this into private discussion – don’t you guys?
I’m happy to hide this post and comments if both yourself and Miles agree that you would wish to deal with this privately amongst yourselves from this point.
Paul
I am more than happy to have this dialogue with you directly, as I’ve stated before. You can use my email address that you already have, or the contact form at http://www.allthingslanzarote.com/pages/Contact-Us.html – both will find me.
I hope very much that we can settle this amicably, and as I said in my first post to your site, I do understand that you may not have originally realised that my site was already in existence. I have suggested a way out of the difficulty that hopefully works for both of us, and I look forward to hearing from you directly about it.
To the person called Dave who just commented but has not left a valid email address – I have withheld the comment: Not because your points weren’t valid – they indeed are correct. But based on the fact that this is obviously pretty raw between Paul and Miles.
They as I understand are now sorting this out privately. So rather than revive ‘open wounds’ perhaps we should leave it down to them now to sort it out in a ‘gentlemanly’ fashion. Should the debate open up again at their wishes – I will as I have with all comments here publish yours in its entirety and un-edited.
For my part – as far as I am concerned Paul and I have sorted out our differences amicably – and I hope he and Miles can do the same.
Then I suggest you remove this page that is accusing somebody and sabotaging their website if your just going to post comments you find appropriate or I will simply post the same comment on various other websites.
No.
I will not remove a post based on the recommendation of an anonymous comment.
As I have mentioned earlier – I am happy to remove it at the request of Paul and Miles who are at the centre of this dispute. It’s their call – not yours.
Well this looks like we will all reach a happy conclusion soon, have just spoken with Alan who is a very reasonable guy and we are sorted.
In the process of speaking to Miles now to accept his olive branch to stop the conflict of interest regarding the same site names and suggest that rather than reimburse me he make a donation to a dog refuge on the Island of Lanzarote thus giving something back to the community and achiving something positive from this whole misunderstanding.
Hopefully this will be resolved very shortly.
Thanks for coming back on the proposal, Paul, and I’m very pleased that it seems we can settle this. If you can let me have a direct email confirming your agreement, and your name,address, email and other necessary contact details, and the site name that you would prefer, I’ll get the transfer ball rolling.
I also have a Skype number if you want to call me this evening: +44 20 8133 4841. I am currently in the UK without my Spanish mobile, I’m afraid, but during tomorrow you can get me on +44 79 76 255 306.
Miles – the email mentioned earlier is now working.
Alan-I have been in touch with Paul this evening, and we have agreed a way forward. Like you, I now have a very different opinion of the motives behind the problem, and am prepared to accept that it was a misunderstanding, and probably a good learning experience for both sides.
Paul- thank you very much for your co-operation, and I look forward to resolving this quickly in the way we discussed.
Alan (again) – thanks very much for all your help!!
Glad everyone is sorted out. Alls well that ends well…
Can I comment on this one?
I’m glad it all was sorted out, but I was still on Paul’s side.
Firstly, the guy was taking snippets of text and linking back to your site – alot of RSS readers and aggregates do this already.
Then “All Things Lanzarote” isn’t a copyrightable name. You can’t copyright a country name (I tried something like this before). The hyphened site wouldn’t rank as yours, but I felt he gave you the domain too easy. Perhaps he should of redirected it to your site and you paid him a yearly fee, as he already built up the site with PR and backlinks.
I’m not trying to get on anyone’s goat, just think things could of been handled differently.